💸 Is Rebalancing the Permanent Portfolio Costing You More Than You Think? 🤔

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💸 Is Rebalancing the Permanent Portfolio Costing You More Than You Think? 🤔

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👋 Hi everyone,
hope you're doing well.

I’ve been revisiting some aspects of my Permanent Portfolio (25% stocks, 25% long-term bonds, 25% gold, 25% cash), and there’s one issue I keep coming back to — one that I think is seriously underestimated: the tax impact of rebalancing 🔄💰.

Rebalancing keeps everything aligned — selling the outperformers, buying the laggards.

But here's the catch: taxes.

Every time I sell a portion of an asset that has appreciated — even if it’s just to maintain the 25% allocation — I’m immediately taxed on those capital gains, even though I have no intention of “cashing out.”
And that tax can easily eat up nearly a third of the gain ⚠️.

What’s worse: if the asset later drops in value (as often happens with gold, long bonds, or even stocks), I’ve already paid tax on a profit that no longer exists.
💡 In other words, I’m handing over part of the portfolio’s growth to the government — even when that growth vanishes.

Alternative approaches (some a bit stupid and wrong):

-Rebalancing only with new contributions 📥

-Allowing wider deviation bands before triggering a rebalance

-Using cash as a buffer for small adjustments

-Rebalancing less frequently (e.g. annually, or opportunistically) 📆

🔍 I’d really like to hear how others using the Permanent Portfolio are handling this.

Do you adjust your rebalancing strategy to reduce the tax hit?

📬 Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Take care, and happy investing!
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frugal wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 4:17 am 🔍 I’d really like to hear how others using the Permanent Portfolio are handling this.

Do you adjust your rebalancing strategy to reduce the tax hit?

📬 Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
1. Funds are in a Superannuation Account (Retirement Savings Plan)
2. Use a Vanguard Ready Made ETF (VDCO). Rebalancing within ETF not taxable.
3. Contributions go into lagging asset. Withdrawals from leading asset.

Fun fact: https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/labo ... 429-p5lv21
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I wonder why retirement accounts are called superannuation accounts in Australia.
Superannuation just means “over one year.”
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Hal wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 4:48 am
frugal wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 4:17 am 🔍 I’d really like to hear how others using the Permanent Portfolio are handling this.

Do you adjust your rebalancing strategy to reduce the tax hit?

📬 Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
1. Funds are in a Superannuation Account (Retirement Savings Plan)
2. Use a Vanguard Ready Made ETF (VDCO). Rebalancing within ETF not taxable.
3. Contributions go into lagging asset. Withdrawals from leading asset.

Fun fact: https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/labo ... 429-p5lv21


I am in Europe :'(
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I’ve mentioned this before. I bought all my positions near the bottom in the 08-09 crash. As such, the stocks and gold have huge unrealized gains. Selling anything would be quite expensive. So I don’t. Now the stocks are 40-some percent. That’s fine.

I could rationalize it as having a PP with a side VP of stocks.
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Luck or did you time it
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I've been investing €1,000 a month in the PP since January 1, 2023. So far, none of the four components has reached the 15/35 range. Gold was close to it once in April, but never reached it.

If the range is reached, I could sell gold tax-free, as the holding period of more than one year was met. However, with such a small portfolio of €32,500, I would rather adjust my savings plans to rebalance over several months. Two of the ETFs pay out some dividends every three months, which is enough for a long time to take advantage of the annual tax-free allowance. I avoid transaction fees like the devil avoids holy water.
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I have always re-balanced very close to the 35/15 band, however going forward I'm not sure, when I sold my house after 38 years I had a big capital gain, I did reduce it slightly with a tax loss harvest buy selling TLT and buying VGLT but it increased my income to where I had to pay much more for medicare which I was not happy about. Now if re-balance the profit in gold again would increase my medicare again, so not only paying tax on the gain, I have to pay additional medicare premium so this time around I may not re-balance until I have something that can used to off set the gain.
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PROBLEM >:(

🔁 Rebalancing is not a minor detail—it’s a fundamental component of the strategy.

???

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boglerdude wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 10:21 pm Luck or did you time it
I had sold some commercial property, and was going to be hit with significant capital gains taxes. As stocks and commercial bonds fell throughout the latter part of the year, I kept selling, booking losses, and replacing with similar components. I wiped out my gains while staying invested. Ultimately I was finished at about the low point. Vanguard actually got upset with me. I had to explain what I was doing.

At the time I had decided to switch to a real PP, and that’s what emerged from the transactions.
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I Shrugged wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 3:52 pm
boglerdude wrote: Thu May 15, 2025 10:21 pm Luck or did you time it
I had sold some commercial property, and was going to be hit with significant capital gains taxes. As stocks and commercial bonds fell throughout the latter part of the year, I kept selling, booking losses, and replacing with similar components. I wiped out my gains while staying invested. Ultimately I was finished at about the low point. Vanguard actually got upset with me. I had to explain what I was doing.

At the time I had decided to switch to a real PP, and that’s what emerged from the transactions.
You wisely took advantage of a fortuitous opportunity. Glad for you that you were able to do so.
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To prevent having to pay taxes, I keep most of my PP in a retirement account, except for gold coins, which will never be sold. I have a bit of gold ETF in the retirement account, which I use for rebalancing. That's how I manage the problem.
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