Gyroscopic Investing

pp4me wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:38 pm

doodle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:13 am I guess this a typical question of does art imitate life or does life imitate art. Listening to country music station while showering this morning the lyrical imagery pairing nostalgic images of better simpler times with simpler problems and what not made me wonder how much this type of music convinces people that this place they sing about in these songs used to exist. There is so much american mystique that is wrapped up into the conservative movement it seems to me...people pining for this imaginary place that country singers sing about. If it weren't for the damn liberals we would all be living the dream.

Interesting way to start a day playing country music and thinking about conservatives while taking a shower in the morning.

My conservative fishing buddies would have a lot of fun finding the Freudian implications in that.

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pp4me wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:47 pm Maybe this topic should really be about how much imagining what kind of music people of a political persuasion like feeds the stereotype you have of those people.

I'm a big-time music person and other than associating country music as attracting those of a certain political leaning have never otherwise associated any other music with any other political leanings.

However, I have met a fair amount of musicians. And, I believe that the vast majority of them are liberal. Which I always attributed to their lifestyle causing them to experience a lot more than what the typical person experiences. For example, there was integration and acceptance of blacks in the music world both to far greater degree and much earlier than in the rest of our country.

Vinny

Generally speaking, creatives tend to be liberal. As such themes in music, art, film, fictional books, TV, video games, etc tend to have very liberal undertones.

If what you say is true where is the cause and effect of being creative and then being liberal or vice versa?

VInny

It's related to personality type. Creative people tend to be more on the "feeling" and "sensing" spectrums in a Myers-Briggs model. People on the feeling and sensing spectrums tend to be very compassionate, empathetic, and caring. They tend to value the whole over the self. This is really the root context of the liberal mind.

In the Myers-Briggs model I am high on both the "thinking" and "sensing". On the latter is is almost 100%, no intuition.

My thought, though, would have been that creative people by definition would be the complete opposite to me on the sensing / intuitive spectrum. Almost all intuition. They don't do things in a step-by-step fashion like I do. Things just come to them.

Vinny

I'm speaking in kind of generalizations here, so there are definitely exceptions to the rule. But yeah, creatives are generally speaking are more sensing than intuitive. But these things also are not binary, they are a spectrum. So someone can be N dominant, but still have a lot of S tendencies for instance. That one would not be me, I'm an extreme N, I barely have a drop of S in me, lol. But on T-F for instance, I'm a T, but still fairly close to center, so I still have a bit more balance here.

Looks like we are both wrong! If this is accurate, when I counted them, there seems to me slightly more intuitive's than sensing's, which greatly surprised me. I expected to find almost no sensing's.

http://intuitivemusician.com/category/p ... ns/page/4/

Vinny

A whole LOT of F's.

That would have been no surprise to me.

By the way, if you can go around the web site you can see the famous musicians who share your type.

For my type - ISTJ - there were only a handful of them and they seemed to all be country. I can listen to some country but it is far down on my list of favorite music genre's.

Vinny

Looking at that, for an INTJ like me there are a whole lot of lead guitarists and people in heady art rock or prog rock type bands. Also Beethoven. This does not surprise me, being someone who has been a lead guitarist since I got my first guitar when I was 12 and who has always been into heady art rock and prog type bands, lol.

yankees60 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:02 pm
There are way, way, way more INTJ musicians than there are ISTJ musicians!

Plus you had many musician giants! Petty! Iommi! Beethoven! Clapton! Bowie! Gilmour! Page!

What a list!!! I am truly envious!

I will continue to now press my case that the N is a greater predictor than the T seeing how many you have!

Vinny

doodle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:47 pm

pp4me wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:38 pm

doodle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:13 am I guess this a typical question of does art imitate life or does life imitate art. Listening to country music station while showering this morning the lyrical imagery pairing nostalgic images of better simpler times with simpler problems and what not made me wonder how much this type of music convinces people that this place they sing about in these songs used to exist. There is so much american mystique that is wrapped up into the conservative movement it seems to me...people pining for this imaginary place that country singers sing about. If it weren't for the damn liberals we would all be living the dream.

Interesting way to start a day playing country music and thinking about conservatives while taking a shower in the morning.

My conservative fishing buddies would have a lot of fun finding the Freudian implications in that.

Well, I wasn't really thinking about conservatives in general....there is only one that fufills all my fantasies come shower time.

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